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    Mindy's museum pouch - just added another 7 sheets of finds !!! 21st may

    Great range of relics and widgets with just about every period of find. This is gonna take a while as I have a shit loads more to photo yet. I could not get the axe head on the gridded sheet as it was too huge Shit just when i thought I had finished it there is another whole weeks worth of finds in another pouch to add Just added another 7 sheets to this monster post, got to be a record post



    Biggest 11,000 BC flint axe head I have ever seen - it is a monster and weighs 580g, 220mm L x 54.6 mm W
    10-40AD Cunobelin Celtic bronze unit
    Obv Janus head below CVNO, inside quad.o,pellet border
    Rev boar std,below CAMV,inside quad.o,pellet border
    1.52g,13.88mm

    I've recorded the Janus bronze unit as 13.0090, ABC 2981, Van Arsdell 2105. An interesting Classical type in good condition, as you say probably looks better with the dirt on than it would cleaned!
    All the best
    John
    Roman bronze miniature votive offering pot
    21.83mm h x 21.84mm w, 7.04g

    1712 Portugal 100 Reis gold coin
    Obverse: Crowned arms with vertical value at left side, titles of John V at right
    Obverse Legend: IOANNES V D G ...
    Reverse: Jerusalem cross, quatrefoil in angles, date above
    Reverse Legend: IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

    Medieval buckle with integral plate


    Medieval seal matrix

    1stC AD European Roman fibular brooch


    Medieval strap end


    1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny Class 9
    Obv EDWR R ANGL DNS HY
    Rev VILLE/SCIE/DMV/NDI - Bury St Edmunds mint


    Really neat The Kings Royal Rifles silver and enamel badge

    Interesting find yesterday, is it silver, debased or washed ? Not attemping to clean it until I know it will not be damaged. - Mindy
    Roman silver coin sent to Mark Lehman for ID
    Can you see exposed copper on this one? I believe it is a standard (official issue) silver (at least 50-60% or so) denarius of Marcus Auelius (161-180) so you might want to check to be sure that it's not just profoundly tarnished and possibly cleanable silver.
    There is an entire class of cast (generally, rather than struck) denarii and a few earlier antoniniani which were made by impressing genuine coins in clay to make molds. They can be surprisingly close to the originals, particuarly as castings go, and when found in perfect condition may retain a very thin silvery outer layer, but generally appear to be strictly . These are mostly found in the Balkans and the era in which they were commonly produced was from about 200-250 AD - at least the protoype coins from which the molds were made tend to be from that era - coins predominantly of the Severan dynasty. These are incorrectly referred to as "Limes Denarii" - and although this is a terrible name for them (it conflates them with the class of "Limes Falsa" undersized, struck contemporary copies of Julio-Claudian from Britain and Northern Gaul - with which they share virtually no qualities other than both being contemporary copies) they have now been referred to by this term long enough that it has achieved a certain legitimacy and it would probably be impossible to convince the market in general to stop using this misnomer-name for them. These Balkan denarii used to be quite scarce until the 1990's when huge quantities of coin began to reach western markets from the former "Iron Curtain" countries like Bulgaria, Romania, the countries of the former Yugoslavia, and the most south-western of the nations formely part of the Soviet Union like Ukraine. Now they are not exactly "common", but just about everyone has seen them in person now and most folks I know have at least a few of them sourced from lots of uncleaned coins alongside Roman Provincial and Constantinian-era material.
    I'm not saying this marcus Aurelius cannot be a contemporary copy, but unless you're certain it isn't silver, I'd assume it's a regular Mint of Rome product.
    The prototype (if it is a copy - or what it actually is if my hunch is correct) would be IMP M ANTONINVS AVG as the obverse legend, laureate head right / and PROV DEOR TR P XVII COS III for the reverse, with Providentia standing left holding a globe and cornucopiae. RSC 525; RIC III 73.
    This combination of obverse & reverse legends allows us to date it quite specifically to December 162 - December 163 AD - or approximately 30-40 years too early for the Balkan denarii.
    For comparison, here's a pretty early (the prototype dates to 198 AD), so-called "Limes denarius" of Septimius Severus:
    http://www.stoa.org/gallery/Chaos-an...v_Denarius_Pax
    This probably would have been at least silvery-colored originally, but by the time we see them, they almost always appear to be , like this one.
    There is also a class of struck fourrees from this same general era - often mistaken for official issues, they are "silver-washed" (I explained recently why this is also a misnomer but won't repeat it here) at a time before the silvering process had been used on any official Roman coins - that practice didn't occur until the 260's under Gallienus.
    This "plated" Julia Maesa denarius can be seen obviously not to be an official denarius from a standpoint of style and workmanship as well as fabric, but unlike the fourrees of the 1st century BC & AD, the core is not wrapped in a silver foil - rather it appears to have been created by surface enrichment:
    .
    http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album97/...icitia_fourree
    It should look like this:

    http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album97/..._Pudicitia_den
    Let me know what alloy the Marcus Aurelius turns out to be - if it is a Balkan copy, it would be the earliest example of the type I've ever seen.
    "Conventional" (foil-wrapped, struck) fourrees of Marcus Aurelius are not completely unknown, but they are very unusual.
    Mark

    1727 George II milled silver shilling

    Saxon gilded harness pendant - circle and star design


    Late Early Medieval (Anglo-Scandinavian) cast copper alloy fragment of a cheek piece from a harness fitting.

    16thC 1 Ib Stone cannon ball - 2.8 inches dia
    Historic sources in the late 16th and early 17th century suggest 'falconet' cannons shot balls of 2 inch diameter weighing between 1lb 2 ounces and 1lb 4 ounces

    1798- 99 French Republique copper coin - Un centime
    Paris mint

    15thC rim less copper-alloy thimble with an openwork top and small, circular, manually produced indentations.




    1. 1727 George II milled silver shilling
    2.1860 Victoria milled silver shilling>
    3. 1838 Victoria milled silver shilling>
    4. Roman silver denarius of Marcus Auelius (161-180)>
    5.10-40AD Cunobelin Celtic bronze unit Obv Janus head below CVNO, inside quad.o,pellet border Rev boar std,below CAMV,inside quad.o,pellet border>
    1.52g,13.88mm CCI 13.0090>
    >
    6.1937 George VI milled silver sixpence>
    7.1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny Class 9 Obv EDWR R ANGL DNS HY>
    Rev VILLE/SCIE/DMV/NDI - Bury St Edmunds mint>
    8.1712 Portugal 100 Reis gold coin Obverse: Crowned arms with vertical value at left side, titles of John V at right Obverse Legend: IOANNES V D G ... Reverse: Jerusalem cross, quatrefoil in angles, date above Reverse Legend: IN HOC SIGNO VINCES>
    9. 1641-3 Charles 1st hammered silver penny - mintmark 2 dots>
    10.16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat illegible mint mark>
    11.Roman bronze miniature votive offering pot 21.83mm h x 21.84mm w, 7.04g >
    12. 1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny- Cross Moline before CIVI >
    Obv EDWARD ** Rev + CIVI/TAS/**>
    13. 1272 Edward 1st hammered silver half penny>
    14. 1578-9 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver penny Greek cross mint mark>
    15.1844 Victoria milled silver sixpence>
    16. 1553 Mary hammered silver groat>
    17.1553 Mary hammered silver groat>
    18.Illegible milled silver sixpence>
    19. Illegible milled silver sixpence>
    20. 18thC Royal Navy silver button

    1. C8thC Saxon gilded pendant - circle and star design
    2.The Kings Royal Rifles silver and enamel badge>
    3.2ndC Roman fibular brooch>
    4.1stC AD Roman Hod Hill type fibular brooch>
    5.1500-1700 mount>
    6.18thC toy cannon>
    7. 18thC Royal Navy silver button>
    8.Medieval strap end>
    9.Medieval seal matrix>
    10.1stC AD European Roman fibular brooch>
    11. 17thc sword hanger>
    12. Medieval beehive thimble>
    13.Medieval buckle with integral plate>
    15.20thc figurine>
    17. 4thC House of Constantine Roman bronze two soldiers standing>
    18. 15thC lead token type 2>
    19. Medieval annular buckle>
    20.Post Medieval cast copper alloy single loop buckle frame. 1500-1650 AD>


    1.Post Medieval cast copper alloy single loop buckle frame. 1500-1650 AD>
    2. 1500-1700 mount>
    4. Victorian bell pull plate>
    6. Post medieval lead bale seal>
    11. 18thC crotal bell>
    12.Post Medieval cast copper alloy single loop buckle frame. 1500-1650 AD>
    13. Newmarket racecourse private stand entry tag >
    15.Post Medieval cast copper alloy single loop buckle frame. 1500-1650 AD>
    16.Cast copper alloy double-looped sub-annular shoe or knee buckle Circa 1650-1720>
    17. 1500-1700 mount>
    18. 4 Georgian thimbles>

    1.17thC Thomas Reynolds bays maker of Colchester hammered copper farthing - undated type
    2.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    3. Georgian trade weight>
    4.18thC bullion weight>
    5.17thC hammered copper trade farthing - illegible>
    6. Mongol Empire copper coin>
    7. 16thc Tudor button>
    8. Victorian silver watch back>
    9. 17thC hammered copper trade farthing - illegible>
    10.17thC hammered copper trade farthing - illegible>
    11.17thC hammered copper trade farthing - illegible>
    12. Illegible 16thC coin weight>
    13. Medieval bronze finial>
    14. Silver pin>
    16.Illegible milled silver sixpence>
    17.Illegible milled silver sixpence>
    18. 18thC clog fastener>
    19. Georgian pressed copper mount>
    20. 850BC Bronze Age socketed axe fragment>

    1. 52 lead musket balls
    16. Glass marble>
    17.Post medieval lead hanging weight>
    18. Rolled up lead strip>
    19. 17thC lead token>
    20.Post medieval lead hanging weight>

    1. 5 Georgian watch winders
    4.Post-medieval copper-alloy buckle frame C AD 1650-1720>
    5.Post Medieval cast copper alloy single loop buckle frame. 1500-1650 AD>
    6.17thc lead token>
    7. 15thc lead token>
    8. 18thC clog fastener>
    9. Roman mount>
    10.Roman mount>
    11. 11,000 BC flint scraper>
    12. Natural flint>
    15. Victorian vesta case>

    1. Post medieval lead bale seal>
    2. Medieval lead trade weight>
    3.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    4.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    5. 17thC lead heart mount>
    6. Post medieval lead trade weight>
    8.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    9.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    10. 15thc lead token>
    11.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    12.Post medieval lead hanging weight>
    13.Post medieval lead hanging weight>
    14.Post medieval lead gaming piece>
    15.Post medieval lead hem weight>
    16. Medieval lead spindle whorl>
    17.Post medieval lead cloth seal>
    18.Post medieval lead cloth seal>
    19.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    20.Post medieval lead trade weight>


    1. 28 clay pipe stems
    16. Post Tudor pottery shard>
    18. Post Tudor glass shard>
    19. Georgian clay hair wig curler >
    20.Post medieval lead cloth seal>

    23 18th to 20thC copper coins

    23 18th to 20thC copper coins>

    24 18th to 20thC copper coins>

    24 18th to 20thC copper coins>

    24 18th to 20thC copper coins>

    24 18th to 20thC copper coins>

    1.6 18th to 20thC copper coins
    6.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    7.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    8.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    9.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    10.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    11.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    12.4thC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    13.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    14. 4 nails>
    16. 1500-1700 hooked mount>
    17.Post medieval cast copper alloy rectangular two piece buckle C1650-1725>
    18.16thC Tudor button>
    19.16thC Tudor button>
    20. Georgian fob seal holder top>


    1.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    2.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    3.Post medieval lead cloth seal>
    4.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    5.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    6.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    7.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    8.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    9.Post medieval alnage lead cloth seal>
    10.Post-medieval copper-alloy buckle frame C AD 1650-1720>
    11.Post medieval lead finial>
    12.17thC lead token>
    13. Georgian watch winder>
    14. Georgian buckle>
    16.Georgian thimble>
    17. Victorian butterfly brooch>
    18.Victorian whistle>
    19.Georgian mount>
    26 -Post Tudor buttons>



    1. 4thC House of Constantine Roman bronze
    2.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    3.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    4. Roman pottery shard>
    5. Copper cane end>
    6. Post Tudor pottery shard>
    7. Riveted plate>
    8. Georgian fob seal bezel>
    9.Georgian fob seal bezel>
    10.Georgian fob seal bezel>
    11. Post medieval harness ring>
    12. Georgian scissor arm>
    13.Georgian watch winder>
    14.Georgian copper finial>
    15.Georgian draw pull>
    16. Georgian buckle fragment>
    17. Georgian hinged latch>
    18. Rim fire cartridge end >
    19. Nail>
    20.Victorian silver spoon handle>



    1. Glass bottle stopper end>
    2. Edwardian pressed copper mount>
    3. 2 copper chisels>
    5.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    6. Post medieval glass shard>
    8. 1500-1700 mount>
    9. Georgian finial>
    10. 18thC copper coin>
    12.Post medieval glass shard>
    14. 18thC musket swivel>
    15.1500-1700 mount>
    16. Tool clip>
    17. 6 buckle fragments>



    1. Victorian silver mount
    2. 1834 William IV milled silver shilling>
    3. 1247 Henry III hammered silver voided long cross half penny>
    4. 1798- 99 French Republique copper coin - Un centime Paris mint>
    5. Medieval shield type trade weight>
    6. 1636-8 Charles 1st hammered silver sixpence >
    7.1344 - 1351 AD Edward III florin type hammered silver penny>
    EDWAR R ANGL DNS HYB CIVI TAS LONDON - London mint>
    8. 1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny EBO RACI York mint>
    9. Medieval hammered silver farthing>
    11.1855 Napoleon III French 1/2 centime copper coin>
    12. 17thC French 1 centime copper coin>
    13. 1634 Charles 1st Scottish hammered silver 20 pence>
    14. Medieval purse bar>
    16.1887 Victoria Queen of England and Empress of India medallion 1837 -1887 Gold Jubilee>
    17.15thC rim less copper-alloy thimble with an openwork top and small, circular, manually produced indentations.>
    18. 1272 Edward 1st hammered silver cut half penny - farthing>
    19. Medieval buckle>
    20. 15thc lead token>



    16thC stone cannon ball>

    1.Post medieval lead bale seal
    2.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    3.Post medieval lead hanging weight>
    4.Post medieval lead hanging weight>
    5.Post medieval lead hanging weight>
    6. 2 Georgian thimbles>
    7. 11 clay pipe stems>
    11. 5 Post Tudor pottery shards>
    15. Roman lead spindle whorl>
    16. Roman buckle tongue>
    17.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    18.Post medieval harness ring>
    19. Medieval book clasp

    1. 2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    2.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    3. 17thC hammered copper trade farthing>
    4. Victorian door knob>
    5. 20thc enamelled badge>
    6. Georgian medallion fragment>
    7. Possible 11,000 BC core scraper>
    10. 1500-1700 mount>
    16. Medieval buckle>
    17. 15thC casket key>
    18. Georgian nut cracker fragment>
    19. Roman Lorica mount>
    20. Georgian garter buckle>

    23 18th to 20thC copper coins>

    26 18th to 20thC copper coins>


    1. Georgian watch winder>
    2. 2 lead musket balls>
    3. Post medieval harness ring>
    4. Post medieval lead bale seal>
    5.Post medieval harness ring>
    6. Georgian watch winder>
    7. 3 buckle fragments>
    9.11,000 BC core scraper>
    10. Post Tudor glass shard>
    11.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    12.2ndC Roman bronze coin - illegible>
    13.1696 William III milled silver sixpence>
    14.Post medieval lead bale seal>
    15.11 Post Tudor buttons>

    1.22 Post Tudor button>
    11.17thC hammered copper trade farthing illegible>
    12. 1500-1700 mount>

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    GeoDoug
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    Brilliant Finds

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    Senior Member Senior member Seattle Brian's Avatar
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    Nice pouch Mindy, congrats.

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    WOW, if you keep this up year after year you will give us guys an inferior complex. Cut it out now. LOL.
    Great pouch. I'm green with envy. Well done as usual.

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    AWESOME!!

    Wow Mindy! That pouch is so fantastic! If I find just one of those items I would be thrilled!

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    Wow!!....I know you get some pretty lengthy hunts over there, Mindy, but even so that's an outstanding group of finds!!...WTG!!!
    Proud member of the "Hair dryer club"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianRob View Post
    Wow!!....I know you get some pretty lengthy hunts over there, Mindy, but even so that's an outstanding group of finds!!...WTG!!!
    thanks Rob. I just have to say for the record that this is one of my favorite personal pouches too. I think many of my best relics and coins came off of Guy's land, which was new in spring of 2014. I had the amazing opportunity to spend almost a month hunting that spring, which explains the sheer volume. Much as I'd love all my pouches to be this nice, I've had a few clunkers since then, which is just the way things roll. Never had a trip that wasn't a blast, no matter how many or few holes I dug.

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    AussieBrad
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    Inspirational finds there Mindy! Looking forward to catching up next April.

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    FlSean
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    Nice finds! Congrats

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    0rgArtieandMarg

    Mindy!!!!Is there anything left to find?????? What a fabuloso endless pouch.

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