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Sept 2007 finds
Stunning 17thC working toy petronel pistol, note the barrel blew out due to overpacking of gunpowder.
17th/18thC fob deal with bird impression
UNITED KINGDOM
MN - Wigram Line
In use 1870 - 1915 ?
Stewards Button
Maker - Unknown

Great condition 1696 William III copper farthing
WWI Machine gun Corp
Birmingham hallmark 1908 Silver vesta case - Maker T.H.H
Generic Merchant Navy Officer
ROYAL MARINES
This button dates 1923 - 1952
O/R's Tunic Button
Maker = Smith & Wright, B'ham
RMLI & RMA merged in 1923

One piece Navy button

HONI SOIT QUI MAN Y PENSE

PACKET

Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: shame upon him who thinks evil of it)

RN - Packet Service
( Mail & Supplies Delivery )

c.1800-1811
Firmin & Co


Irish Army 1920
1911
E Armfield & Co
Birmingham
WWI - WWI USA GI button

London and county Bank

1895
Pitt & Co

RN Capt / Commander - 1901
Other Ship's Officers - 1901
19thC Rams head livery button
1871-1873
Reynolds & Co
50 St Martins Lane London
British & Atlantic S.N. Co.
The Liverpool Journal of Commerce chart for 1885 shows the British & Atlantic S.N. Co. with a white flag with red Prince of Wales's plumes in the centre

S.M.R Volunteers

Mounted Rifle Volunteers

Georgian gilded button
18thC clog fastener

Victorian harness pendant
Saxon period coin weight
Circa 17th century

A slightly convex symmetrical gilded mount with lobed ends, transverse ridges, and two integral pointed lugs

Victorian decorated clasp
1550-1650 spur buckle
Army and Navy Co-opererative society
1771 Russian lead bale seal
18thC 2 Pennyweight and 14 grain coin weight - half gold guinea
Decorated hawking whistle
15thC lead token - long cross and pellet type
Unrecorded 6th Regiment of foot button
1586 Hans Krauwincel II Rose orb Jeton

HANNS KRAVWINCKEL IN NVRENB

1880 - 1918 Prussian Army belt fitting
1880 - 1918 Prussian Army button

15thC Spanish 8 real 2.76g 26.08mm Ferdinand of Aragon and Elisabeth of Castilla

 

1199 King John hammered silver half penny - looks like Bury mint - need to get the books out to check
Decorated Victorian finial with face design
Saxon period hanger
16thC decorated crotal bell with makers mark T
17thc decorated crotal bell
17thc decorated crotal bell
??
1754 Dutch Zeelandia copper duit
16thC coin weight Antwerp type
Royal Thames Yacht club
18thC Conder token - not checked it yet
Circa 17th century

A large mount in the form of an acorn; two integral pointed lugs on the back.

1662 silver button to commemorate Charles II marriage

12.91mm dia, 0.62g

Mid 17thC Mourning silver token

Obv 'Prepared be to follow me' CR T

Rev 'I live and dy m loyal ye'

19.88mm L x 19.02 mm W 1.14g

 

16thC decorated Tudor button
Bobby Bear club badge
RN Capt / Commander - 1901
Other Ship's Officers - 1901

Henry V 1413-1422

0.68g

Roman bronze decorated knife pommel
1625 Charles 1st hammered silver half groat
Georgian harness plate with initials of farmer
Bronze bird pipe tamper ? could be earlier as it looks very detailed for a tamper - one for the museum to look at
17thC John Groome of Stoke by Nayland Suffolk Copper trade farthing
1666 Thomas Peeke of Colchester hammered copper trade farthing
17thC book clasp and hinge - rivet fixings

1785 Russian Bale seal

Obv SPB I GHR U 1785

Rev Russian script ts, ya , E,

Location O7

St Petersburg

Smalll bronze staue leg - possible Roman
17thC spur buckle
Curious find, copper alloy bar with hanging notches are both ends, like a purse bar but not as it the wrong shape, also like a balance scales but not. One to research
18thC Spur buckle
Early one piece military button - not checked the books yet
17thC hammered copper trade farthing Bridport Dorset, William Bull
Bronze decorated rectangular piece - possible early bowl leg
17thC trade farthing - not checked the books yet
Victorian gilded ornate jewelry clasp
1603 James 1st XXIIs gold coin weight

What a great find - Lord Nelson medallion

Victory at Trafalgar and death

'ADM Vicount Nelson Octb 21 1805'

Really nice silver inlay Loyal North Lancashire badge
1819 George III milled silver sixpence

1stC AD Roman bronze

28.44mm, 12.87g

The quick answer is that it's Trajan, 97-117 A.D. (Hadrian's predecessor) and so has every good reason to be in Britain. Given the diameter and weight, it would be an As - also, although perhaps just a tad heavy for an As at nearly 13gm, I see no traces of the radiate crown which would indicate that it was a Dupondius (2 Asses).
Now, on the downside (for the ID) - Trajan reigned for 20 years during a time of exceptional internal peace and prosperity in the Roman Empire.
During Trajan's reign, the Empire achieved its largest size, measured in geographical area His reign saw literally thousands of different types of coins struck, most of which circulated until they were worn smooth, this being the era of the "Adoptive Emperors" with financial stability for nearly a full century enabling these coins to stay in crculation so long. Many call this the "Golden Age" of Rome. Since there is so little by way of detail visible on the reverse of your coin, I doubt it's going to be possible to say much more than that it's an As of Trajan, since there is so little to distinguish it from the hundreds of other possible Trajanic reverses.

An interesting factoid about Trajan's coins: Not only did the Empire achieve its greatest size under his reign, the coins became longer-winded under him than any other ruler. Some of his sestertii have such an extensive laundry-list of his titles that they can have upwards of 75-80 characters in the obverse legend alone, then go on at even greater length on their reverses. For those of us who must type-up cards to go in coin-flips, Trajan's legends can be very challenging to fit onto a 2"x2" fliptag.

I'll try enlarging, tweaking and rotating the reverse image to see if I can make any sense out of it, but, as I said, Trajan had so many reverse types it may be hopeless.

Mark


C1000 BC Bronze Age socketed axe head fragment 37.44mm L 55.91mm W x 13.52 mm T

1760's 2 pennyweights and 2 grains coin weight - 1/2 gold guinea
RN Capt / Commander - 1787
RN Lieutenant - 1787
Circa 17th century

A slightly convex symmetrical mount with lobed ends, transverse ridges, and two integral pointed lugs

10th/11th Saxon period bridal cheek piece fragment
RN Capt / Commander - 1787
RN Lieutenant - 1787

Saxon C600-775 AD Silver Sceat - 1.13g,11.28mm

'(Series C2), which I have recorded as EMC 2007.0228'.

'Semmi Di Milano'

Maker

R.E.Hayward

21 Rouverll St London

1950's lead toy plane
Georgian heavy horse harness name plate
18thC bayonet frog
1834 William IIII milled silver sixpence
1572 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver three half pence - intial mark Ermine 3rd issue with rose and date
1589 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat ( 2 pence) - intial mark Crescent 5th issue without rose or date
French 1808 Napoleon 2 Franc milled silver coin

16thC decorated copper alloy ring

17th/18thC apothecary weight 1 dram

1422- 61 Bronze uniface Crowned Three lis in shield French Ecu gold coin weight 2.96g. Letters by the shield indicate French not English version.
French copper- alloy Jeton 1380AD Obv Shield of France bearing three feur de lys
Early Navy button - not checked the reference books yet

Victorian Generic Military HQ Staff Officer

Smith & Wright
Birmingham

1840 -81

Royal artillery cap badge
Great find WWI tank corp cap badge
19thC sword hanger
Military button - not checked the reference books yet
18thC clog fastener
Medieval silver decorated hawking bell fragment - reported as treasure - 10.08mm H x 17.03mm W, 0.65g
18thC clog fastener
1550-1650 buckle
French Infanterie de ligne (1871-1916)
Bristol Docks Authority
In use 1820 - 1992
Royal Horse Artillery
Generic Issue


Officer & O/R's - 1873-1901

18thC clog fastener
Georgian decorated lock plate with unicorn design
Medieval D buckle
1816 George III milled silver sixpence
Complete Post medieval lead cloth seal
Post medieval copper alloy casket hinge
1800's Russian lead bale seal
Medieval mount or hanger with 2 rivet fixogs
18thC clog fastener
Interesting piece - Number 3 made out of nails ?
Possible bullion weight - not checked books yet
Circa 17th century

A large mount in the form of an acorn; two integral pointed lugs on the back.

Victorian Generic Military HQ Staff Officer

Smith & Wright
Birmingham

1840 -81

Victorian Generic Military HQ Staff Officer

Smith & Wright
Birmingham

1840 -81

Neat copper -1853 Victorian 1/2 farthing (1/8th of a penny)
1272 AD Edward 1st hammered silver penny
Printing press block ?
1817 George III gold half sovereign - new coinage type
1843 Victoria gold half sovereign
Post medieval Bronze leg and foot
1717 Foreign copper coin - not checked ref books yet
15thC lead token
19thC Silver 6 penny token HM - Payable by a £1 note for 40 of these at Morgans toekn manufactory 12 Rathbone place London
Post medieval lead cloth seal
20thC fruit machine token
George V Florin (2 shillings) forgery
16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver sixpence
1550 - 1650 buckle
1831 William IIII milled silver six pence
Great condition 1698 William III copper half penny
Medieval copper alloy mount - 2 rivet fixing
ca 1720-40 1/2 Moidor Portuguese gold coin weight
1879 Victorian milled silver sixpence
17thC George Nicholson hammered copper trade farthing - grocers, Thorpe le Soken Essex - not dated type
Medieval bronze key
19thC livery button
Medieval spur rowell
Facinating lead dragon find -dated as Medieval
18thC
5 pennyweights and 8 grains coin weight - gold guinea
1625 Scottish Charles 1st hammered silver 20 pence
Hammered silver half groat made into a medallion
Huge 19thC Royal Exchange Insurance button
Could be 19thC General Post Office
1816 George III milled silver six pence
1272 AD Edward 1st hammered silver penny
Really crisp

4thC Roman bronze - sent off for ID

2.93g, 19.67mm

You're probably already aware it's Constantius II (337-361 A.D. - Constantine's youngest son and longest-surviving of his successors)- although the fact that it's his and not his brother's is not quite as obvious as you might think - older brother Constans shared the purple with Constantius until 350 A.D. and so had an almost equal number of the earlier types of FEL TEMP REPARATIO's struck in his name. It's the fact that the legend breaks where it does - DN CONSTAN - TIVS PF AVG - that shows that it's Constantius rather than Constans - his legend would break
at: DN CONSTA - NS PF AVG for this issue. The new, silver-plated AE Centenionalis series replaced Diocletian's much reduced and abused Follis as a part of the monetary reforms of 348 A.D.
and managed to produce some fairly nicely sized and well-worked coins before succumbing to the same economic pressures that did-in the Follis.

The reverse type is one of those marvels of Roman symbolic art - they packed a lot of PR (some might say propaganda) into those reverse types. This was really one of the few venues for official mass-media in the proto-literate Roman era - which lacked any of the communication devices we take for granted like newspapers, etc.
The idealized personification of the emperor stands boldly (perhaps remindng Yanks of a certain famous painting of George Washington crossing the Deleware River in the snow), he holds a radiate (Sol or Helios' radiate crown) Phoenix and a labarum (legionary banner with the Christian Chi-Rho symbol on
it) - deftly blending pagan and Christian symbolism, foot (in mastery) atop the prow of a galley steered by Victory - you gotta love it! The legend is the well known FEL(icitas) TEMP(orum) REPARATIO - "Happy days are here again" (actually it's closer to "[to] the return of happy times", but not so much closer that "happy days are here again" is way off the mark) Before settling into the overdone, stereotypical "Soldier spearing fallen horseman" type, the FEL TEMP series produced some other interesting types - I'm also fond of the type showing the Emperor leading a young barbarian forth from a hut under a tree (or dragging him - depends on who you read...)

Too bad the exergue is unclear - we won't be able to be certain about where it was minted unless a little careful cleaning in that area reveals some detail - I'll guess it's a Western European mint on the rather vague basis of "style". I was hoping the fact that there's no officina or sequence marks in the reverse fields might narrow down the list of possible mints some, but as it turns out, Antioch was the only mint which never struck this type without any fieldmarks.

You didn't specify a diameter this time, but using your fingers as a rough gauge, I'm guessing it's around 22-24mm, right?
This type in this size dates from the earlier emissions, post reform - mostly in the 348-351 A.D. timeframe before the AE2 (larger) module was completely replaced by the AE3's (smaller).
Some folks call this denomination a "Centenionalis", although this terminology, like most of what we think we know about the denominations after about 310, is theoretical at best - it may also or alternately have been called a "Majorina" - or it might have been neither. We know the names of these denominations, but frustratingly, we don't know with certainty the coins to which they refer.

Mark

2ndC Roman bronze knee brooch
Possible Bronze age Terret ring
East India Company, V (5) Cash from Madras, India.
1700 William III copper half penny in great shape
RN Capt / Commander - 1787
RN Lieutenant - 1787
1666 Thomas Peeke of Colchester hammered copper trade farthing

One piece Navy button

HONI SOIT QUI MAN Y PENSE

PACKET

Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: shame upon him who thinks evil of it)

RN - Packet Service
( Mail & Supplies Delivery )

c.1800-1811
Firmin & Co

 

1625 Scottish Charles 1st hammered silver 20 pence
1787 Dutch duit coin

Roman bronze signet ring - the face is worn but appears to be T 2.43g, 21.25 mmdia

Loyal Harwich volunteers

Maker Treble gilt

1834 William IIII milled silver 6 pence
17thC hand decorated button
1719 French copper coin - Louis XVI
Tiny copper alloy domino - Georgian 13.18mm Long
Possible Rifle Regiment - not checked the books yet
Manchester transport button
1741 Portuguese 5 Reis copper coin
Real nice 1862 Victoria copper half penny

Stunning condition Irish 1760 George III 'Voce Populi' issue copper halfpenny

obv VOCE POPULI

REV HIBERNIA

1821- 6 George IV copper half penny - never seen one of these
19thC livery button
15thC lead token

1stC Roman 17.27g, 28.42mm dia, 4.51mm thick sent off for ID

The "guy riding the lion" is actually the Eastern goddess Cybele, whose cult was popular in Rome in the later 2nd century. Her "consort" (weird thing to call him under the circumstances) Attis, as the mythos goes, castrated himself and well as performing a related - ahem - amputation in order that he not be distracted in any way in the purity of his devotion to Cybele - so it was a cult with eunuch priests - whether, if the criticisms of the era are accurate and these ad-hoc operations were actually carried out on the spur of the moment by devotees in transports of holy ecstasy joining in the course of the parades and processions this sect was fond of holding, is something I tend to doubt - but the histories are, after all, written by the victors and they got to say pretty much whatever they wanted to, eventually.
Cybele is seen here riding a lion - typically you'll see her either enthroned, flanked by her lions, or driving a trimuphal chairot pulled by lions. She's wearing a turreted headdress, and carrying a drum (also a typical attribute) and scepter.

Now, we come to the issues this coin presents - it seems, from the size, as though it should be an As - but this type isn't listed for anything in AE except Sestertii in any of my references - and actually, at 28+mm & 17.27gm, it's really too large and heavy to be an As of the era, so it pretty much has to be a Sestertius. I have several sestertii of Commodus very close to this in weight - less than 20gm - in my collection.

RIC III, Rome, # 599 AE Sestertius - 191 A.D.
Obv: (all off-flan, unfortunately, but should be:) L AEL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL. Laureate head right.
Rx:: (Also just about all off-flan) MATRI DEVM CONSERV AVG / COS VI PP (in
exergue) S - C (in fields)
Cybele, "towered", facing, riding right on lion and carrying drum and scepter

It's pretty scarce, too, rating an "R2" in RIC and carrying a retail estimate in David Sear's RC&TV of 2-3 times as much as the more common sestertii for this reign. Dating to 191, it's from the next-to-last year of his reign - by this time he seems to have lost touch with reality and was performing in the gladitorial arena on a regular basis (mostly killing
animals) In this time-frame, he also had himself portrayed wearing the lion-skin headdress of Hercules (and Alexander the Great) on his coins with reverse type of Hercules' club - so, he was pretty well out there by the end of his reign. http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album95/CommodusHerc

1stC Roman 12.49g,26.6mm dia, 3.97mm thick

The other, less-well preserved coin appears to be an As of Trajan (98-117
A.D.) It's actually a bit heavy to be an As, so it might be a Dupondius - however I can't see any traces of the radiate crown which would distinguish the denomination as a Dup...
The reverse seems to be a "trophy" - a pile of arms & armor ceremonally set up after a battle in commemoration - a fairly common reverse for Trajan..

See: http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album91/ML11_Trajan_Trophy_dup for a specimen from my own collection, similar to what I think this one is -

Mark

1817 George III milled silver shilling
1625 Charles 1st hammered silver half groat
1704 Queen Anne milled silver sixpence
Medieval long cross hammered silver penny fragment
1603 James 1st hammered silver sixpence
17thC Thomas Reynolds bay maker of Colchester hammered copper trade farthing
1560-1 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver penny - Martlet mintmark 2nd issue

1582 - 4 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat (2 pence)

Fifth issue A mintmark

Great find - copper shilling - Aug 1689 James II Irish 'gun metal' emergency coinage

Obv 1 - JACOBVS II DEI GRATIA - Rev 1

Georgian swivel fob seal
15thC lead token
15thC lead token
Medieval spur rowell
1634 Charles 1st Rose hammered copper farthing
19thC hunting button
18th/19thC apothecary weight
1844 Victorian milled silver four pence
PROBABLY ?
Germany / Prussia
Army
WWI & Prior
Maker - Unknow

Very unusual Georgian watch winder

Great condition Roman bronze 307AD

6.45g, 27.98mm


it's Maximinus II, as Caesar - not to be confused with either Maximian or Galerius, both of whose legends are extremely similar-looking. And also, no relation to Maximinus I, "Thrax", from nearly a century earlier.
It's a follis, and a nice, big, earlier one - before they were scaled-down to the size of a newpence.
This one is a product of the mint at London, too - always desirable.

RIC vol VI, London, # 89a, Summer, 307 A.D.
Obv: GAL VAL MAXIMINVS NOB C. Laureate draped and cuirassed bust right.
Rx: GENIO POP ROM. Genius (of the Roman People) standing left holding patera and cornucopia.
Exergue: PLN (?) this is where I have some issues on the basis of what I think I see in the photograph - it looks to me like "SLN" - and that would work if London had been striking in more than a single officina at that time - so SLN would indicate second officina, but, according to RIC, they weren't striking in two workshops in London at this time- so, maybe I'm just not seeing it correctly - it looks like an "S" to me although it should be a "P".

Mark

 

Post medieval lead bale seal
Interesting do dad
17thC Small bronze ring
1639-4 Charles 1st hammered silver sixpence - Tower mint under Charles 1st Triangle mintmark
1696 William III milled silver sixpence - Early harp large crown York mint
1697 William III milled silver shilling (12 pence)- Later harp small crown 3rd bust type

1560-1 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver groat (4 pence)

1st Issue Martlet mintmark

1199AD King John hammered silver penny 1.00g, 16.54mm
1645 Charles 1st hammered silver penny - Ashby mint
18thC Spanish milled silver pillar real

Neat Dutch railway button

NEDERLAND SCHE

SPOORWEGEN

Lead gaming piece
1603 James 1st hammered silver half groat (2 pence)
17thC decorated mount with two integral lugs
1553 Mary hammered silver groat ( 4 pence)
16thC decorative mount with two integral lugs
British railways button
15thC Cockerel barrel tap key - makers mark cross
19thC Lion livery button
British railways button
AD 1500-1650 buckle
1920 George V milled silver sixpence
WWII Royal Marines
1586 Hans Krauwincel II Rose orb Jeton

HANNS KRAVWINCKEL IN NVRENB

French Infanterie de ligne (1871-1916)
Unknown button
19thC livery button
WWII Royal air force
??
1793 Suffolk Sudbury Halfpenny Conder

OBVERSE: Shield of Arms of Sudbury; dog, lion. MAY THE TRADE OF SUDBURY FLOURISH. REVERSE: PRO BONO PUBLICO 1793. EDGE: PAYABLE AT GOLDSMITH & SONS SUDBURY .XXX.

Stunning decorated 16thC crotal bell with makers mark I
16thC Tudor button
18thC pastry jigger wheel

 

Bronze age /Romano British bronze piece - possible lynch pin or terret, sent to museum for ID

18.42g, 45.34mm L x9.17mm Thickest , tapering to 5.79mm dia

Bronze age casting plug 54.75g, 31.09L x 27.77mm Wx 22.00mm H
Great find - 1640 English civil war cannon ball 1.8inch, 45.25mm dia, 11.2 oz - next to Victorian sixpence for size

One piece Navy button

HONI SOIT QUI MAN Y PENSE

PACKET

Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: shame upon him who thinks evil of it)

RN - Packet Service
( Mail & Supplies Delivery )
c.1800-1811
Firmin & Co

 

Croydon Corporation transport button
16thC decorated mount - silgle integral lug
1842 Victorian milled silver four pence
1889 Victorian milled silver sixpence
French Infanterie de ligne (1871-1916)
Huge Jetton like coin - no researched it yet
Stunning condition 1649 Commonwealth hammered silver one pence (period without a king)
17thC copper alloy oval mount with single integral lug
18thC cup type bullion weight

Very unusual decorated 16thC Tudor button
Medieval gilded mount - two rivet fixing
Royal Automobile Club button
Georgian dress button
Prussian 1870-1914 belt fitting
Prussian 1870-1914 button